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December 6, 2011

There is a socialist writing about “labor” leaders in the Roman Republic. History is funny, because you only know what you read. Parts can be left out of the book you never know. A socialist has an interest in the roman republic, in that he may point out the successful socialist elements of the Roman Republic. So one has to ask themselves if the socialist be bending the truth to his design. Because I know my Roman History through the volumes of Livy. Livy was not so specific. Leon says things, I never heard before, and I have read hundreds of pages on the history of the Roman Republic.

DeLeon states the “wheels” of Roman political mechanism were The Consuls, who at this point in history were very similiar to our executive of President and Vice President, though they served only one year. I don’t dispute this, or the second wheel, “The Senate” which we have; but to be a roman senator you had to be related to one of the original senators. We are on the same page here.

Then DeLeon says there were The Centuries, which were military divisions that gathered in the forum and proposed legislation for the senate to approve. This is where I have heard otherwise. I have read, the lower house of the Senate, like our congress as the house of the people, gathered outside the senate in Rome, not being indoors, and more accessible for it; and could suggest legislation.

I have also heard that each of Rome’s 20-30 tribes had a piazza they would gather in to cast a collective vote through ayes and nays and debate, regarding ratifying as the people, treaties, or choosing Consuls, or approving Senate-decisions. But I had not heard of citizens gathering and legislating such and so. That is more popular than Livy mentioned.

The De Leon cited the Colleges of Priests, as a judicial like agency, capable of acting in the senate’s interest when the senate was against popular legislation by saying the ceremonies of law augured danger, or some such moral technicality as necessary, or according to their interpretation of Gods, says Leon. I had heard Rome was full of religious ceremonies, that the government encouraged and applied religion as useful, and had superstitions regarding wars and battles, such as the hunger of sacred geese; And I have heard of the roman office of “popes” which back then meant making sure elections were fair; but I had not heard of this college of priests so bluntly. I had heard that only the rich were allowed to be religious officials, and that this was key to the rich maintaining their hold on power; as the lower class gained increasing acces to the executive offices.

Now I believe everyone equally should enjoy “toiling” which would be called “working” by me, and as well, not toiling; rather than dividing it up into classes. Rome was a two class society. But Leon makes the point many of the lower class were rich, but as not descended from the original senators, lacked the “patrician” rank.

Leon says back then as now, the larger corporations uproot the smaller ones; and that as Rome expanded, the richer got most of the land proceeds of war.

Have located more news on centuries, will keep you posted